16 comments

  • orthogonal_cube 33 minutes ago
    This is one application of AI that I’ve been hopeful for. Accelerating research into new medicines and cures to disorders, diseases, and cancers could be a net positive on human lives. Maybe it’ll help bring R&D costs down so that medicines for rare diseases aren’t out of reach for those that are afflicted by them.

    > If Claude is to significantly increase the rate of new cures, we need to work with many more biotechnology firms and integrate Claude more deeply into their development processes.

    Given all that, the wording here feels very self-serving. Cautious optimism is probably warranted.

    • talon8635 0 minutes ago
      This is basically the one thing everyone agrees on with AI, and seemingly the only thing not being “disrupted”
    • lukan 2 minutes ago
      Of course it is self serving. I am optimistic for progress in medicine with the help of AI in general as well, not optimistic for antrophic.
  • baq 7 minutes ago
    'biology moves at the speed of life' is a fantastic quote that should ground everyone's expectations - unless there's a revolutionary advancement in simming life, do not think that we'll see the same pace of progress as we've seen in software engineering or maths.
    • delichon 0 minutes ago
      You may not want to look into AI wet labs.
  • yewenjie 1 hour ago
    TBH, I am waiting for Mathocalypse-level progress in biology and medicine, but I guess that's not happening as fast, because it's the real world, human lives, etc., mostly etc.
    • ungovernableCat 20 minutes ago
      Math is completely abstract and the base rules and mechanics of it are some of the most clear cut and formalised because that’s the entire point of the subject.

      Biology is the complete opposite of that.

    • dennysora-main 46 minutes ago
      Indeed, actually, one of the limitations preventing AI from making more contributions is humans. Human emotions, laws, morality, responsibility, and so on are all part of these limitations.

      I've always thought openai could actually create an agent that can control various physical robotic arms and things like that, and then continuously iterate on solutions that can participate in the real physical environment. This could accelerate automatic iteration for many things that require human operations, such as complicated experiments, assembly adjustments, and testing.

      Otherwise, AI is always trapped in virtual systems and still needs human intervention. But even though AI is already very powerful now, there is still a limit to how much humans can handle or assign tasks. Many times, AI has already finished processing something, but I don't even have time to assign the next deeper level of tasks.

      People hope AI can improve productivity, but at the same time they're afraid of AI actually getting involved in reality, while the valuation of the entire AI industry is so high.

      This kind of wanting to move forward but not moving forward makes humans especially uncomfortable.

    • xhevahir 1 hour ago
      I expect that AI use in the more axiomatic kinds of research will be well in advance of sciences that have a heavy, messy empirical foundation, like biology.
    • jareklupinski 10 minutes ago
      first math; now its first integral w.r.t. time: physics, then second integral: chemistry, then third: biology

      finally, us

    • redanddead 1 hour ago
      That plus organs on a chip could be scalable and generate interesting data
    • slashdave 1 hour ago
      Keep waiting
    • enraged_camel 1 hour ago
      Specifically, it's because the verification loops are much longer in applied sciences. In biology you need to wait for wet lab experiments, clinical trials, regulatory steps, etc. before you can call something "solved".

      Since sequential steps are slow, I think we're going to see massive increases in parallelization. I'm not sure how the regulatory frameworks will keep up honestly.

      • slashdave 1 hour ago
        > we're going to see massive increases in parallelization

        Why? This is not an AI problem, it's an industry one. And if it was simple, it would already exist.

        • xp84 39 minutes ago
          Well, it matters more for AI because there are some limitations of human research that don't apply to AI. Not all of course, just mainly the fact that there's a finite number of great researchers. Other things are limitations that could theoretically be overcome -- for instance, it's "only" money stopping you from having more lab space as long as you have a suitable robot to run a lab.
        • menaerus 54 minutes ago
          > And if it was simple, it would already exist.

          Not necessarily. Many things are simply gatekept behind the door.

      • Bluestein 51 minutes ago
        > wet lab experiments, clinical trials, regulatory steps

        I wonder what the unlock would be, if any, of having simulations substitute any (or all, in time) of these steps. Akin to the method used to train FSD cars, or robots.-

        • vessenes 5 minutes ago
          You may recall Google published AlphaFold in the last few years -- its main goal is precisely this. Combining up that tech with these pipelines is likely to speed things up. It looks like things are already speeding up a lot based on the press release, though. This seems likely to be an area where we'll see some compounding returns over the next couple years.
          • Bluestein 2 minutes ago
            Indeed, I do recall, now that you mention it.-
        • xp84 36 minutes ago
          In my untrained opinion, I don't think that will be as much of a cheat as it might seem. Or more accurately, creating a simulation accurate enough to where it would work for this purpose would be where all the breakthroughs would have to be made. Building a perfect simulation requires an understanding of the system being simulated, that I don't think we fully have of molecular biology -- if we did, I suspect we'd already have many of the answers we are seeking when we do this kind of research.

          But I'm no biologist so if someone else is, feel free to correct me.

        • Bluestein 3 minutes ago
          All valid points on being able to simulate well enough meaning we would have nearly solved everything to begin with.-

          I wonder if, at some point, AI's will perform to such degree they are able to construct "black box" simulations as needed, that nobody understands BUT that are sufficient to empirically experiment on ...

          ... much in the same way LLM's function now: In an aggregate sense, they are bloack boxes.-

        • jurgenburgen 35 minutes ago
          By the time we can simulate a human body to the degree that clinical trials aren’t necessary I think we have solved disease a long time ago.
  • daemonk 31 minutes ago
    It helps with bureaucracy and pipeline generation. That's valuable and frees up time and effort for scientists. But it's not generating new ideas or solving problems like in math/engineering.

    The problem is that biology is like trying to reverse engineer alien technology to understand how it works. Math/engineering is more like building up complexity through well defined parts. Math/engineering is a heck of a lot more deterministic than biology. The ultimate bottleneck in biology in context of AI is well curated and breadth of data, not necessarily intelligence.

  • adamredwoods 1 hour ago
    I have a rare disease with no cure. Id love to see how Claude can help with us, but I'm cautious what it can really advance. Murine models still take time, and clinical trials are slow. I would think most biotech companies lose money at these stages.

    >> If Claude is to significantly increase the rate of new cures, we need to work with many more biotechnology firms and integrate Claude more deeply into their development processes

    Sounds invasive.

    • dyauspitr 1 hour ago
      Have you tried it yourself on their best available public model yet?
      • adamredwoods 4 minutes ago
        Even if Claude would be able to find a few potential molecules to improve the disease, it still takes millions to bring it to fruition, and there is still a big chance of poor results through real world trials.

        I'm interested in seeing how the scorpion anti venom plays out.

        https://www.anthropic.com/research/claude-scorpion-toxin-bin...

      • SwellJoe 46 minutes ago
        I suspect the public model will refuse. Anthropic models have gotten extremely strict on biology and security work.

        I'd be happy to be wrong, though. I've never tried to do biology with Claude, but I have gotten many refusals and downgrades for security work.

        • rtsil 18 minutes ago
          I was downgraded for asking about a poisonous plant in my yard (poisonous for my cats, not for humans).
  • ruther4d 1 hour ago
    > Six Generate scientists used Claude Code to propose new designs for this part

    “Generate scientist” … is that a real job like “prompt engineer”

    • gonzalohm 40 minutes ago
      I think they meant six scientists from "Generate Biomedicines" (the company)

      Either that or six degenerate scientists. Both options work just fine

    • anigbrowl 52 minutes ago
      I think the dividing line between skilled and unskilled use of AI is 'machine, do magic' vs 'machine, do x, y and Z, thus and so, avoid i, j, k which knowledge is the fruit of bitter experience.' Being able to articulate what matters and why is the ultimate high level language.
      • gonzalohm 43 minutes ago
        At that point you are just defining the requirements, you may as well write the code for it
    • klustregrif 17 minutes ago
      It's like saying "Cisco Developer" even though the company is Cisco Systems

      The company is called Generate Biomedicines, and they reference it in short as Generate.

    • traceroute66 58 minutes ago
      "Invent a new drug, make no mistakes"
      • mysterydip 49 minutes ago
        “One that won't make me nervous, wondering what to do. One that makes me feel like I feel when I'm with you.”
  • jon128 1 hour ago
    Crossing fingers for LSD 2.0
  • blmarket 9 minutes ago
    (sarcastic) Not too long until we see designer babies by Claude?
  • rao-v 14 minutes ago
    I’m honestly a little surprised by the sparsity of examples? One example of improving an existing therapeutic (Generate Biomedicines), one example of speeding up an existing clever play in food allergies (Divergence Labs), one fairly generic lead optimization play, and then we get … Claude helped write better paperwork and documentation for Enveda?!

    I know Anthropic are brilliant at knowing when to focus where, but I genuinely expected them to be talking about 3-5x more serious scaled up drug discovery plays at this stage.

    Is this not a focus, or did the big plays not want to be part of a roundup post?

  • gonzalohm 36 minutes ago
    It's funny that a lot of the "helping" is just actually filling paperwork.

    If that's the bottleneck maybe we need to rethink all the bureaucracy around the process instead of using AI to fill a document and then using AI to read it. That's just plain stupid.

    • klustregrif 12 minutes ago
      There's some subleties lost in the "just filing paperwork" the regulatory filing reports are big content heavy documents, that need to be generated. But it's not just a job consisting of pasting in lorum ipsum. A lot of intelligence goes into creating those documents, which is why it hasn't been revolutionised by digital templating systems. But there is the very real potential for speeding up the process through AI document editing and reviews to turn 2 weeks of people sequentially doing edits, passing for review back and forth before being able to submit, to perhaps just getting everyone in a room for 2 hours and pointing out everything that needs changing and changing it on the spot. But even then you'll still sometimes have the hook back to the slower processes of having to generate new evidence or find and review evidence that wasn't included. But even a 25% increase in speed will have quite significant impact, so it's not like it has to become a turn key submissions solution to be valuable.
    • 1970-01-01 27 minutes ago
      Sorting and filing paperwork won't go away until AGI rightfully declares bureaucracy as the worst evil produced by humanity.
  • 2001zhaozhao 1 hour ago
    I like how there's a giant "chapter picker" pinned at the top of the web page, but there are only two chapters and the second chapter is a tiny blob at the end of the article.
    • vatsachak 1 hour ago
      That's standard blog design though
  • inglor_cz 1 hour ago
    The point about finding problems in documented processes (Enveda: manufacturing and filings) is unexpected but interesting. One of our civilizational problems is that the sheer volume of documentation has slowly exceeded capabilities of humans to produce it reliably and without flaws.

    Same applies to construction projects, BTW.

  • Sarkie 1 hour ago
    New cocaine?
    • ChrisMarshallNY 56 minutes ago
      We've had "research chemicals" for a couple of decades.

      Some, do what it says on the tin.

      Some...not so much.

      The issue with any new chemical is full, comprehensive, regulated testing.

      Dodgy folks aren't really so good, with that last part. They use their customers as guinea pigs.

  • fwlr 52 minutes ago
    Claude, you are a senior drug dealer. Get me my fix, make no mistakes.
    • ngai_aku 20 minutes ago
      Not trying to be a dick, but I think this community is better off without low effort jokes like this littering the post.
    • throw-qqqqq 23 minutes ago
      > senior drug dealer

      Lol that cracked me up :D I love that job title!

  • josefritzishere 1 hour ago
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