16 comments

  • jacquesm 7 minutes ago
    If you can't see the difference between a compiler and an LLM then that's on you.

    LLMs are a game changer in a completely different way than compilers. With compilers there is a (roughly, barring optimizations) 1:1 correspondence between input and output. With LLMs you take an idea and it will drive the whole thing from the beginning all the way to the end.

    This is unlike anything that we've done so far. It's also strange to focus on programming: LLMs are coming for all information related jobs. If your job is somehow described as 'staring at a screen' then that job is on the line, if not sooner, than later.

    • rwyinuse 1 minute ago
      I agree. Programming was just a natural first problem to tackle, but the impact will not be limited there. If you give today's best model access to all the data sources and systems an average white collar worker has, it probably could do most of their job. But organizational change takes its time, systems need to be integrated into new AI tools and so on, so it will take a while.

      People tend to overestimate change in short term, and underestimate it in long term. AI hasn't replaced programmers yet, but I believe it will replace most white collar workers in 20 years.

    • mosura 1 minute ago
      You can absolutely spot people that aren’t using the latest models personally because they succeed in clinging to notions that doing so would dispel in three seconds.

      Opus 5.5 produces code far better than 95% of professional devs, and it only stands to get “worse” from here on out.

      Quite where this leaves any of the people in these information processing jobs is anyone’s guess.

    • amunozo 1 minute ago
      It's definitely going to be a socioeconomic shock, but staring at a screen for 8 hours a day is something I won't miss.
    • srdjanr 0 minutes ago
      I think a better comparison is website builders, and people still paid web devs.
    • bcghbcdy 0 minutes ago
      bro they've been saying this for five years now and the only people affected are copywriters and translators, and for the latter, unwisely. it is absolutely not coming for all white collar jobs. anyone who uses a coding agent sees these things fail in familiar machine misunderstanding ways that make sense to programmer, and in roles where data is not easily captured in text, humans are needed to keep the LLM in touch with reality
  • mbil 14 minutes ago
    > It’s 7:40 on a Tuesday morning in 2031, and you haven’t written a line of code yet. You probably won’t today, and that’s fine.

    This sounds exactly like all my Tuesday mornings this year, except that I wasn't at work at 7:40

    • cbarrick 2 minutes ago
      OP is describing a distopia.

      I _want_ to write code for my job.

      Unfortunately, this is exactly the direction the industry is heading.

  • kenjackson 7 minutes ago
    We do pretty much just use compilers now though. The last time I read dissassembly to fix an issue was at least a decade ago. Even bytecode I rarely look at.

    So you're saying that we'll still be coding, but it will be through talking to our agents and only occasionally we will look at generated source? That seems like a pretty big change still.

  • kazinator 17 minutes ago
    Nope; the compiler was supposed to end coding; when the word coding referred to taking an abstract program written on paper and translating it to machine code.

    Compilers were first called automatic coders.

    The word compiling referred to something more like linking: producing an image containing multiple library routines. In other words, similar to compiling an anthology of works into a book.

    After compilers, the word coding to changed to writing program code in any language.

    Because the tooling for automatic coding also compiled the bits of code into a larger image, the term compiler/compiling came to be used for the coding part also.

    While the terms reshuffled, the concrete reality was simply that people worked less in assembly language, not that fewer people worked or that programming ended.

  • coldtea 9 minutes ago
    >The compiler was supposed to end programming too

    Bad analogy. The case with AI is not the same.

    • Jtsummers 9 minutes ago
      And it's a false claim. Compilers and assemblers meant eliminating coding, turning your higher level expressions into machine code by hand. And they did exactly that. Very few people, primarily hobbyists or those with a very niche architecture, actually bother to write machine code by hand at this point for any significant amount of work.
  • dvh 15 minutes ago
    This is similar disruption that terminals brought. Before terminals, programming was done in the computer room, it was social gathering, many programmers were women, people were debugging printouts on the floor, punching cards together. Then terminals came and everybody crawled into their dark solitary offices, staring at green or yellow phosphor screens of their terminals. Women didn't like it and left.
    • appplication 1 minute ago
      > Women didn't like it and left.

      I appreciate the rose-tinted, high-agency historical take, but I think the factors that led to computer science/programming becoming male-dominated were largely external to and independent of the preferences of women themselves.

    • post-it 7 minutes ago
      "Women didn't like it and left" is certainly an interesting interpretation of the systemic exclusion of women from a field when it transitions from low-prestige manual work to high-prestige intellectual work.
    • david-gpu 10 minutes ago
      Some people prioritize their paycheck over enjoying their job, and those people are AMAB more often than not.
  • cwoolfe 19 minutes ago
    Yes exactly. LLM-assisted coding is just the next layer of abstraction. This has been happening to computer programming for decades. We've always been in search of a way to program in "natural language"
    • Zigurd 5 minutes ago
      Conversely, the reason agent assisted coding works so well is that all the tooling meant to keep human coders out of trouble, like lint, leak detectors, profiling tools, test harnesses, etc. prevent agents from making errors.

      This is in contrast with general purpose agents like Meta Muse that make some amusing and horrifying errors. These kinds of agents don't have the interfaces and guardrails that were built for human coders. They use a lot of ad hoc screen scraping and guessing at what APIs do.

      That's also why Apple and Google haven't shipped fully general purpose agents that use their new app tool calling interfaces yet. For example Google only released their Gemini agent that uses AppFunctions to enterprise customers. Presumably because MDM tools can be used to monitor agents' actions.

    • tdeck 9 minutes ago
      It's also an abstraction to hire a software engineer and tell them what kind of app you want, but I don't think we can call it "programming" at that point.
    • kazinator 6 minutes ago
      [delayed]
    • shaky-carrousel 16 minutes ago
      Yes, we found it in COBOL.
  • ninininino 6 minutes ago
    Agents are more like employees, compilers are more like calculators.
  • gonzalohm 11 minutes ago
    Can we please stop comparing AI with a compiler?

    A compiler takes a programming language as input

    float x = 3.1;

    Has only one translation into assembly. The programming language is well defined (or it should be). If you try to do

    float x = '3.1'; you will get an error

    However, the human language is not a programming language. It's open to interpretation "create a variable x and assign it 3.1" is not a well defined programming instruction. Is x a number or a string? If it's a number, what's the precision. Etc.

    • xkcd-sucks 3 minutes ago

          In [1]: def f(x: int) -> float:
             ...:     return f"the input was {x}"
          In [2]: f(b'deadbeef')
          Out[2]: "the input was b'deadbeef'"
    • voxic11 7 minutes ago
      might a compiler turn "float x = 3.1;" into no instructions at all in some situations? So it has at least 2 possible translations into assembly depending on the context.
  • tmountain 7 minutes ago
    Except, the lived experience today is that I don’t need to program to do my job anymore, and I say this as an engineer with almost 30 years of experience.
  • jmclnx 22 minutes ago
    Plus SQL, 4GL and a few others that came out over the years :)

    Interesting Read.

  • jackb4040 3 minutes ago
    I have a pretty negative opinion about LLM's coding abilities (and predictions about how they will improve). But I don't get a lot out of this type of argument. Compilers created a perfect, deterministic, provable abstraction so that we could have 99% of developers no longer know how assembly works and not suffer any consequences. Humans don't have to give up any control or make any quality compromises to deploy them as widely as possible.

    If the author is contending that AI models will improve to a point that they actually make no mistakes while coding, and have that same level of reliability, then they're on exactly the same side as AI doom trolls just wearing a different costume.

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