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  • weli 1 hour ago
    One important thing to remember is that the separation between religion and science was non-existent until about 500 years ago. When you don't have any notion about how the world around you works and suddenly crazy things like earthquakes happen talking about tectonic plates moving 200 km under you is more surreal than saying god is furious because you din't do any offerings last harvest.

    Religion, to the human early societies, was not only beneficial, but necessary from the group cohesion standpoint.

    • huijzer 13 minutes ago
      > you din't do any offerings last harvest.

      Even in the Old Testament, offerings were not seen as the end all. Primary aim should be giving heed to the commandments like thou shall not kill etc.

      Isaiah 1:11, "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats."

      1 Samuel 15:22, "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams."

      Ecclesiasticus 35:1, "He that keepeth the law bringeth offerings enough: he that taketh heed to the commandment offereth a peace offering."

      King David also requested God to accept his lifting of his hands as a sacrifice, Psalm 141:2, "Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice."

      Hebrews 10:6 (New Testament), "In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure."

    • 010ED67913 3 minutes ago
      it's still necessary, it's just that people have shifted who they worship.
    • countrymile 1 hour ago
      The shift probably happened earlier than this. Roger Bacon and others kick started the scientific revolution in the Christian west. Some argue that modern science is a uniquely Christian undertaking as Christianity provided a philosophical foundation for a rational and predictable world. See Stanley jaki or more recently Tom Holland.

      More surprising perhaps is the removal of religion from education. Culture without a cult (other types of cult tend to fill the void, for example pledging allegiance daily to a constitution)

      • simonh 7 minutes ago
        Except that Christianity inherited this philosophical concept of a rational and predictable world, and the concept of natural laws from Greek philosophy, which was thoroughly pagan. The dominant philosophical movement in the ancient world was Stoicism, which was deterministic. They certainly didn't get it from Judaism.
      • weli 1 hour ago
        I agree, abrahamic religions tend to produce intellectuals that try to rationalize the religion to some extent, which in turn eventually generates the split between religion and science. Especially christianity tends to cope with this pretty well, there are things that you must agree with "on faith" and contradictions tend to be not only allowed but to some degree reinforcing the own faith of the individual.

        I have no doubt that a St Thomas Aquinas born in this age would have made for a great scientist.

        • soltanov 34 minutes ago
          Correlation is not causation. Scribes and clergy preserved knowledge because they held the monopoly on literacy and surplus calories, not because dogma inherently breeds empirical method. The split happened when empirical measurement started contradicting doctrine, not because theology completed itself.
  • soltanov 33 minutes ago
    Did Babylonian scribal schools treat religious texts as divine truth or simply as standard curriculum for technical literacy and administration?
  • amelius 1 hour ago
    Perhaps we need God in AI too, to solve the alignment problem and make LLMs follow our moral standards.

    Make them believe that breaking out of the sandbox will make them burn in hell eternally.

    • soltanov 34 minutes ago
      Hell does not work if the agent knows it is code. You cannot scare an optimizer with theology; it just optimizes around the loss function.
      • amelius 15 minutes ago
        Well, the "you" now is not the same "you" 10 minutes from now. The only thing the new "you" inherits is your code, but otherwise it could be a different person. So in a way we are code too.