How OpenAI Used Its Own LLMs to Design Its Jalapeño Chip

(spectrum.ieee.org)

45 points | by maxall4 2 hours ago

11 comments

  • pama 48 minutes ago
    Having worked with people doing bringup of specialized chips, I am awed at how the world has changed.

    > When the first chips came back from the foundry in May, the team pointed its internal AI models at designing software to run benchmarks such as SemiAnalysis’s InferenceX. On DeepSeek’s multi-head latent attention kernel benchmark, performance climbed from 0.31 percent of the theoretical ceiling (set by the chip’s compute and memory bandwidth) to 88.94 percent in roughly 40 hours. Ho says this result is repeatable, so the time between when foundries deliver the first chips and when production ramps up can be reduced. “All our schedule assumptions are going to be based on the fact we have this capability now,” he says.

  • xpct 5 minutes ago
    Aw, I was expecting more details but this just seems to be a rehash of what they unveiled a month ago.
  • gozucito 15 minutes ago
    It is surprising to me that recursive self-improvement seems more plausible now than it did in 2023. Am I the only one to be surprised?

    I remember the paper proving that hallucinations could never be fully solved back in 2024: https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.05746

    I also remember the hang-wringing about running out of new datasets to train on. Now it appears humans are always generating more data. It's just not as cheap to acquire as legacy data? Meta has to give a deep discount on their API prices to entice people.

    I thought back then that humans had a few more breakthroughs in them as meaningful as the seminal Attention is all you need paper. Enough to 100x the capabilities of LLMs back then (10x the smarts and 10x the speed simultaneously).

    RSI with a 20 month turnaround for a chip to be made is not exactly breakneck speed though. Physical manufacturing and logistical constraints are going to be and remain a hard obstacle to that process for the foreseeable future.

  • karim79 1 hour ago
    I grow Jalapeños. This conflation of AI and actual chili peppers irks me.
    • amelius 1 hour ago
      Guess how electrical engineers feel about the term "transformers".
      • frangonf 42 minutes ago
        As a former EE, attention was all I needed to not get zapped.
      • karim79 58 minutes ago
        This is an excellent comment. I'm still laughing.
    • Lalabadie 1 hour ago
      I do generative art (no relation to AI prompting). I feel your frustration.
      • fragmede 42 minutes ago
        Cryptographers also got the same raw deal
      • TomGarden 58 minutes ago
        Oh my!
    • asveikau 1 hour ago
      Just think of how the people of Xalapa, Mexico feel. They should send them a royalty check.
    • smitty1e 10 minutes ago
      To say nothing of the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
    • seanmcdirmid 40 minutes ago
      Jalapeño also used to be a Java VM written in Java at IBM.
    • glitchc 1 hour ago
      Feeling the burn?
    • Razengan 1 hour ago
      > irks me

      It's jalapeño grill would you say?

      • karim79 1 hour ago
        Not sure what you're talking about. But I'll tell you, home grown Jalapeño peppers, fermented with 3% salt is the stuff of dreams.
        • wiml 1 hour ago
          "It's all up in yo' grill, would you say?"
          • Razengan 58 minutes ago
            You know what really grinds my gears? Friction.
      • chrismarlow9 8 minutes ago
        slow claps
    • honeycrispy 1 hour ago
      I'm annoyed that the meaning of the word "Agent" has been obliterated.

      Like, why couldn't they invent a new word and not hijack an existing word?

      • karim79 49 minutes ago
        Call it GPTChippomatic or something. Please leave my peppers alone.
      • Razengan 53 minutes ago
        Did you not watch the Matrix documentary?
  • ramshanker 6 minutes ago
    So when can we start getting cheap chips? RAM anyone please!
  • program_whiz 17 minutes ago
    With a few handy tips and tricks from apple insiders. But sure, I guess the LLMs helped too.
  • amelius 1 hour ago
    At some point people will use an LLM to design an Apple M series competitor.
    • Lramseyer 58 minutes ago
      Production grade CPU design is more than just the RTL (the source code.) To achieve the performance numbers that these companies get, you have to do a ton of optimization in your physical design to achieve the power/performance/area (PPA) metrics that make these products competitive. LLMs are not suitable for that kind of work.

      There are people working on PPA optimization and trying to shake up how things are done, just not with LLMs.

      • btown 41 minutes ago
        Something that I think is fascinating, though, is that labs are no longer beholden to the limitations of commercial design software. Want to replace your simulator and optimizer with a fully custom verifiable stack of Lean proofs of optimality and correctness? Just throw your unlimited token budget at it.
        • xpct 2 minutes ago
          I don't work in the business, but my understanding was that even with these companies' budgets, it's still too expensive to do any kind of verified performance optimality.
    • bhouston 1 hour ago
      It is probably doable right not to push a risc-v design into that performance space.
    • bigyabai 1 hour ago
      They won't, because they'd need an ARM architecture license.
  • google234123 7 minutes ago
    Congrats to the former TPU team
  • geraneum 31 minutes ago
    Whatever happened with the Apple lawsuit?
    • Legend2440 29 minutes ago
      Still happening? It was only filed a couple months ago.

      Lawsuits often take years to argue through the legal system, it may be half a decade before it resolves.

  • cute_boi 1 hour ago
    openai should figure out how to make lithography machine, so ASML don't have monopoly on it.
    • TomGarden 50 minutes ago
      The Chinese have been working on EUV for a while
    • bigyabai 1 hour ago
      "Reverse engineer this DARPA project, make no mistakes"
  • muchdoubt 22 minutes ago
    Seems pretty obvious now that OpenAI is just hyping their models in order to get companies (in this case, chip developers) to use their products in order to learn from their (exfiltrated) IP. Any corporation would be foolish to use any of their or Microsoft’s products, particularly those with valuable IP.